Fun with veth-devices, Linux bridges and VLANs in unnamed Linux network namespaces – VIII

In the last post of this series

Fun with veth-devices, Linux bridges and VLANs in unnamed Linux network namespaces – VII [Theoretical considerations regarding the connection of a network namespace or container to two separated VLANs]

we discussed two different approaches to connect a network namespace (or container) "netns9" to two (or more) separated VLANs. Such a network namespace could e.g. represent an administrative system (for example in form of a LXC container) for both VLANs. It has its own connection to the virtual Linux bridge which technically defines the VLANs by special port configurations. See the picture below, where we represented a VLAN1 by a member network namespace netns1 and a VLAN2 by a member netns4:

The solution on the left side is based on a bridge in an intermediate network namespace and packet tagging up into the namespace for the VLANs' common member system netns9. The approach on the right side of the graphics uses a bridge, too, but without packet tagging along the connection to the common VLAN member system. In our analysis in the last post we assumed that we would have to compensate for this indifference by special PVID/VID settings.

The previous articles of this series already introduced general Linux commands for network namespace creation and the setup of VLANs via Linux bridge configurations. See e.g.: Fun with ... – IV [Virtual VLANs for network namespaces (or containers) and rules for VLAN tagging at Linux bridge ports]. We shall use these methods in the present and a coming post to test configurations for a common member of two VLANs. We want to find out whether the theoretically derived measures regarding route definitions in netns9 and special PVID/VID-settings at the bridge work as expected. A test of packet filtering at bridge ports which we regarded as important for security is, however, postponed to later posts.

Extension of our test environment

First, we extend our previous test scenario by yet another network namespace "netns9".

Our 2 VLANs in the test environment are graphically distinguished by "green" and "pink" tags (corresponding to different VLAN ID numbers). netns9 must be able to communicate with systems in both VLANs. netns9 shall, however, not become a packet forwarder between the VLANs; the VLANs shall remain separated despite the fact that they have a common member. We expect, that a clear separation of communication paths to the VLANs requires a distinction between network targets already inside netns9.

Bridge based solutions with packet tagging and veth sub-interfaces

There are two rather equivalent solutions for the connection of netns9 to brx in netns3; see the schematic graphics below:

Both solutions are based on veth sub-interfaces inside netns9. Thus, both VLAN connections are properly terminated in netns9. The approach depicted on the right side of the graphics uses a pure trunk port at the bridge; but also this solutions makes use of packet tagging between brx and netns9.

Note that we do not need to used tagged packets along the connections from bridge brx to netns1, netns2, netns4, netns5. The VLANs are established by the PVID/VID settings at the bridge ports and forwarding rules inside a VLAN aware bridge. Note also that our test environment contains an additional bridge bry and additional network namespaces.

We first concentrate on the solution on the left side with veth sub-interfaces at the bridge. It is easy to switch to a trunk port afterwards.

The required commands for the setup of the test environment are given below; you may scroll and copy the commands to the prompt of a terminal window for a root shell:

unshare --net --uts /bin/bash &
export pid_netns1=$!
unshare --net --uts /bin/bash &
export pid_netns2=$!
unshare --net --uts /bin/bash &
export pid_netns3=$!
unshare --net --uts /bin/bash &
export pid_netns4=$!
unshare --net --uts /bin/bash &
export pid_netns5=$!
unshare --net --uts /bin/bash &
export pid_netns6=$!
unshare --net --uts /bin/bash &
export pid_netns7=$!
unshare --net --uts /bin/bash &
export pid_netns8=$!
unshare --net --uts /bin/bash &
export pid_netns9=$!


# assign different hostnames  
nsenter -t $pid_netns1 -u hostname netns1
nsenter -t $pid_netns2 -u hostname netns2
nsenter -t $pid_netns3 -u hostname netns3
nsenter -t $pid_netns4 -u hostname netns4
nsenter -t $pid_netns5 -u hostname netns5
nsenter -t $pid_netns6 -u hostname netns6
nsenter -t $pid_netns7 -u hostname netns7
nsenter -t $pid_netns8 -u hostname netns8
nsenter -t $pid_netns9 -u hostname netns9
     

#set up veth devices in netns1 to netns4 and in netns9 with connections to netns3  
ip link add veth11 netns $pid_netns1 type veth peer name veth13 netns $pid_netns3
ip link add veth22 netns $pid_netns2 type veth peer name veth23 netns $pid_netns3
ip link add veth44 netns $pid_netns4 type veth peer name veth43 netns $pid_netns3
ip link add veth55 netns $pid_netns5 type veth peer name veth53 netns $pid_netns3
ip link add veth99 netns $pid_netns9 type veth peer name veth93 netns $pid_netns3

#set up veth devices in netns6 and netns7 with connection to netns8   
ip link add veth66 netns $pid_netns6 type veth peer name veth68 netns $pid_netns8
ip link add veth77 netns $pid_netns7 type veth peer name veth78 netns $pid_netns8

# Assign IP addresses and set the devices up 
nsenter -t $pid_netns1 -u -n /bin/bash
ip addr add 192.168.5.1/24 brd 192.168.5.255 dev veth11
ip link set veth11 up
ip link set lo up
exit
nsenter -t $pid_netns2 -u -n /bin/bash
ip addr add 192.168.5.2/24 brd 192.168.5.255 dev veth22
ip link set veth22 up
ip link set lo up
exit
nsenter -t $pid_netns4 -u -n /bin/bash
ip addr add 192.168.5.4/24 brd 192.168.5.255 dev veth44
ip link set veth44 up
ip link set lo up
exit
nsenter -t $pid_netns5 -u -n /bin/bash
ip addr add 192.168.5.5/24 brd 192.168.5.255 dev veth55
ip link set veth55 up
ip link set lo up
exit
nsenter -t $pid_netns6 -u -n /bin/bash
ip addr add 192.168.5.6/24 brd 192.168.5.255 dev veth66
ip link set veth66 up
ip link set lo up
exit
nsenter -t $pid_netns7 -u -n /bin/bash
ip addr add 192.168.5.7/24 brd 192.168.5.255 dev veth77
ip link set veth77 up
ip link set lo up
exit
nsenter -t $pid_netns9 -u -n /bin/bash
ip addr add 192.168.5.9/24 brd 192.168.5.255 dev veth99
ip link set veth99 up
ip link set lo up
exit

# set up bridge brx and its ports 
nsenter -t $pid_netns3 -u -n /bin/bash
brctl addbr brx  
ip link set brx up
ip link set veth13 up
ip link set veth23 up
ip link set veth43 up
ip link set veth53 up
brctl addif brx veth13
brctl addif brx veth23
brctl addif brx veth43
brctl addif brx veth53
exit

# set up bridge bry and its ports 
nsenter -t $pid_netns8 -u -n /bin/bash
brctl addbr bry  
ip link set bry up
ip link set veth68 up
ip link set veth78 up
brctl addif bry veth68
brctl addif bry veth78
exit

# set up 2 VLANs on each bridge 
nsenter -t $pid_netns3 -u -n /bin/bash
ip link set dev brx type bridge vlan_filtering 1
bridge vlan add vid 10 pvid untagged dev veth13
bridge vlan add vid 10 pvid untagged dev veth23
bridge vlan add vid 20 pvid untagged dev veth43
bridge vlan add vid 20 pvid untagged dev veth53
bridge vlan del vid 1 dev brx self
bridge vlan del vid 1 dev veth13
bridge vlan del vid 1 dev veth23
bridge vlan del vid 1 dev veth43
bridge vlan del vid 1 dev veth53
bridge vlan show
exit
nsenter -t $pid_netns8 -u -n /bin/bash
ip link set dev bry type bridge vlan_filtering 1
bridge vlan add vid 10 pvid untagged dev veth68
bridge vlan add vid 20 pvid untagged dev veth78
bridge vlan del vid 1 dev bry self
bridge vlan del vid 1 dev veth68
bridge vlan del vid 1 dev veth78
bridge vlan show
exit

#Create a veth device to connect the two bridges 
ip link add vethx netns $pid_netns3 type veth peer name vethy netns $pid_netns8
nsenter -t $pid_netns3 -u -n /bin/bash
ip link add link vethx name vethx.50 type vlan id 50
ip link add link vethx name vethx.60 type vlan id 60
brctl addif brx vethx.50
brctl addif brx vethx.60
ip link set vethx up
ip link set vethx.50 up
ip link set vethx.60 up
bridge vlan add vid 10 pvid untagged dev vethx.50
bridge vlan add vid 20 pvid untagged dev vethx.60
bridge vlan del vid 1 dev vethx.50
bridge vlan del vid 1 dev vethx.60
bridge vlan show
exit

nsenter -t $pid_netns8 -u -n /bin/bash
ip link add link vethy name vethy.50 type vlan id 50
ip link add link vethy name vethy.60 type vlan id 60
brctl addif bry vethy.50
brctl addif bry vethy.60
ip link set vethy up
ip link set vethy.50 up
ip link set vethy.60 up
bridge vlan add vid 10 pvid untagged dev vethy.50
bridge vlan add vid 20 pvid untagged dev vethy.60
bridge vlan del vid 1 dev vethy.50
bridge vlan del vid 1 dev vethy.60
bridge vlan show
exit

# Add subinterfaces in netns9
nsenter -t $pid_netns9 -u -n /bin/bash
ip link add link veth99 name veth99.10 type vlan id 10
ip link add link veth99 name veth99.20 type vlan id 20
ip link set veth99 up
ip link set veth99.10 up
ip link set veth99.20 up
exit

# Add subinterfaces in netns9
nsenter -t $pid_netns3 -u -n /bin/bash
ip link add link veth93 name veth93.10 type vlan id 10
ip link add link veth93 name veth93.20 type vlan id 20
ip link set veth93 up
ip link set veth93.10 up
ip link set veth93.20 up
brctl addif brx veth93.10
brctl addif brx veth93.20
bridge vlan add vid 10 pvid untagged dev veth93.10
bridge vlan add vid 20 pvid untagged dev veth93.20
bridge vlan del vid 1 dev veth93.10
bridge vlan del vid 1 dev veth93.20
exit

 
We just have to extend the command list of the experiment conducted already in the second to last post by some more lines which account for the setup of netns9 and its connection to the bridge "brx" in netns3.

Now, we open a separate terminal, which inherits the defined environment variables (e.g. on KDE by "konsole &>/dev/null &"), and try a ping from netns9 to netns7:

mytux:~ # nsenter -t $pid_netns9 -u -n /bin/bash
netns9:~ # ping 192.168.5.1
PING 192.168.5.1 (192.168.5.1) 56(84) bytes of data.
^C
--- 192.168.5.1 ping statistics ---
2 packets transmitted, 0 received, 100% packet loss, time 1008ms

netns9:~ # ping 192.168.5.7
PING 192.168.5.7 (192.168.5.7) 56(84) bytes of data.
^C
--- 192.168.5.7 ping statistics ---
2 packets transmitted, 0 received, 100% packet loss, time 1006ms

netns9:~ # 

Obviously, the pings failed! The reason is that we forgot to set routes in netns9! Such routes are, however, vital for the transport of e.g. ARP answering and request packets from netns9 to members of the two VLANs. See the last post for details. We add the rules for the required routes:

#Set routes in netns9 
nsenter -t $pid_netns9 -u -n /bin/bash
route add 192.168.5.1 veth99.10                                                     
route add 192.168.5.2 veth99.10                                                    
route add 192.168.5.4 veth99.20
route add 192.168.5.5 veth99.20                                                    
route add 192.168.5.6 veth99.10
route add 192.168.5.7 veth99.20
exit

By these routes we, obviously, distinguish different paths: Packets heading for e.g. netns1 and netns2 go through a different interface than packets sent e.g. to netns4 and netns5. Now, again, in our second terminal window:

mytux:~ # nsenter -t $pid_netns9 -u -n /bin/bash 
netns9:~ # ping 192.168.5.1 -c2
PING 192.168.5.1 (192.168.5.1) 56(84) bytes of data.
64 bytes from 192.168.5.1: icmp_seq=1 ttl=64 time=0.067 ms
64 bytes from 192.168.5.1: icmp_seq=2 ttl=64 time=0.083 ms

--- 192.168.5.1 ping statistics ---
2 packets transmitted, 2 received, 0% packet loss, time 999ms
rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 0.067/0.075/0.083/0.008 ms
netns9:~ # ping 192.168.5.7 -c2
PING 192.168.5.7 (192.168.5.7) 56(84) bytes of data.
64 bytes from 192.168.5.7: icmp_seq=1 ttl=64 time=0.079 ms
64 bytes from 192.168.5.7: icmp_seq=2 ttl=64 time=0.078 ms

--- 192.168.5.7 ping statistics ---
2 packets transmitted, 2 received, 0% packet loss, time 999ms
rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 0.078/0.078/0.079/0.008 ms
netns9:~ # ping 192.168.5.4 -c2
PING 192.168.5.4 (192.168.5.4) 56(84) bytes of data.
64 bytes from 192.168.5.4: icmp_seq=1 ttl=64 time=0.151 ms
64 bytes from 192.168.5.4: icmp_seq=2 ttl=64 time=0.076 ms

--- 192.168.5.4 ping statistics ---
2 packets transmitted, 2 received, 0% packet loss, time 999ms
rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 0.076/0.113/0.151/0.038 ms

 
Thus, we have confirmed our conclusion from the last article that we need route definitions in a common member of two VLANs if and when we terminate tagged connection lines by veth sub-interfaces inside such a network namespace or container.

But are our VLANs still isolated from each other?
We open another terminal and try pinging from netns1 to netns4, netns7 and netns2:

mytux:~ # nsenter -t $pid_netns1 -u -n /bin/bash
netns1:~ # ping 192.168.5.4
PING 192.168.5.4 (192.168.5.4) 56(84) bytes of data.
^C
--- 192.168.5.4 ping statistics ---
3 packets transmitted, 0 received, 100% packet loss, time 2015ms

netns1:~ # ping 192.168.5.7
PING 192.168.5.7 (192.168.5.7) 56(84) bytes of data.
^C
--- 192.168.5.7 ping statistics ---
2 packets transmitted, 0 received, 100% packet loss, time 1007ms

netns1:~ # ping 192.168.5.2
PING 192.168.5.2 (192.168.5.2) 56(84) bytes of data.
64 bytes from 192.168.5.2: icmp_seq=1 ttl=64 time=0.195 ms
64 bytes from 192.168.5.2: icmp_seq=2 ttl=64 time=0.102 ms
^C
--- 192.168.5.2 ping statistics ---
2 packets transmitted, 2 received, 0% packet loss, time 999ms
rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 0.102/0.148/0.195/0.048 ms
netns1:~ # 

And in reverse direction :

mytux:~ # nsenter -t $pid_netns5 -u -n /bin/bash                                               
netns5:~ # ping 192.168.5.4
PING 192.168.5.4 (192.168.5.4) 56(84) bytes of data.                                           
64 bytes from 192.168.5.4: icmp_seq=1 ttl=64 time=0.209 ms                                     
64 bytes from 192.168.5.4: icmp_seq=2 ttl=64 time=0.071 ms                                     
^C                                                                                             
--- 192.168.5.4 ping statistics ---                                                            
2 packets transmitted, 2 received, 0% packet loss, time 999ms                                  
rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 0.071/0.140/0.209/0.069 ms                                              
netns5:~ # ping 192.168.5.1
PING 192.168.5.1 (192.168.5.1) 56(84) bytes of data.                                           
^C                                                                                             
--- 192.168.5.1 ping statistics ---
2 packets transmitted, 0 received, 100% packet loss, time 1008ms

netns5:~ # 

Good! As expected!

Forwarding between two VLANs?

We have stressed in the last post that setting routes should clearly be distinguished from "forwarding" if we want to keep our VLANs separated:

We have NOT enabled forwarding in netns9. If we had done so we would have lost the separation of the VLANs and opened a direct communication line between the VLANs.

Let us - just for fun - test the effect of forwarding in netns9:

netns9:~ # echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/conf/all/forwarding
netns9:~ # 

But still:

netns5:~ # ping 192.168.5.1
PING 192.168.5.1 (192.168.5.1) 56(84) bytes of data.
^C
--- 192.168.5.1 ping statistics ---
3 packets transmitted, 0 received, 100% packet loss, time 1999ms

Enabling forwarding in netns9 alone is obviously not enough to enable a packet flow in both directions! A little thinking , however, shows:

If we e.g. want ARP resolution and pinging from netns5 to netns1 to work via netns9 we must establish further routes both in netns1 and netns5. Reason: Both network namespaces must be informed that netns9 now works as a gateway for both request and answering packets:

netns1:~ # route add 192.168.5.5 gw 192.168.5.9
netns5:~ # route add 192.168.5.1 gw 192.168.5.9

Eventually:

netns5:~ # ping 192.168.5.1
PING 192.168.5.1 (192.168.5.1) 56(84) bytes of data.
64 bytes from 192.168.5.1: icmp_seq=1 ttl=63 time=0.186 ms
64 bytes from 192.168.5.1: icmp_seq=2 ttl=63 time=0.134 ms
^C
--- 192.168.5.1 ping statistics ---
2 packets transmitted, 2 received, 0% packet loss, time 999ms
rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 0.134/0.160/0.186/0.026 ms
netns5:~ # 

So, yes, forwarding outside the bridge builds a connection between otherwise separated VLANs. In connection with a packet filter this could be used to allow some hosts of a VLAN1 to reach e.g. some servers in a VLAN2. But this is not the topic of this post. So, do not forget to disable the forwarding in netns9 again for further experiments:

netns9:~ # echo 0 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/conf/all/forwarding
netns9:~ # 

Bridge based solutions with packet tagging and a trunk port at the Linux bridge

The following commands replace the sub-interface ports veth93.10 and veth93.20 at the bridge by a single trunk port:

# Change veth93 to trunk like interface in brx 
nsenter -t $pid_netns3 -u -n /bin/bash
brctl delif brx veth93.10
brctl delif brx veth93.20
ip link del dev veth93.10
ip link del dev veth93.20
brctl addif brx veth93
bridge vlan add vid 10 tagged dev veth93
bridge vlan add vid 20 tagged dev veth93
bridge vlan del vid 1 dev veth93
bridge vlan show
exit 

Such a solution works equally well:

netns9:~ # ping 192.168.5.4 -c2
PING 192.168.5.4 (192.168.5.4) 56(84) bytes of data.
64 bytes from 192.168.5.4: icmp_seq=1 ttl=64 time=0.145 ms
64 bytes from 192.168.5.4: icmp_seq=2 ttl=64 time=0.094 ms

--- 192.168.5.4 ping statistics ---
2 packets transmitted, 2 received, 0% packet loss, time 999ms
rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 0.094/0.119/0.145/0.027 ms
netns9:~ # ping 192.168.5.6 -c2
PING 192.168.5.6 (192.168.5.6) 56(84) bytes of data.
64 bytes from 192.168.5.6: icmp_seq=1 ttl=64 time=0.177 ms
64 bytes from 192.168.5.6: icmp_seq=2 ttl=64 time=0.084 ms

--- 192.168.5.6 ping statistics ---
2 packets transmitted, 2 received, 0% packet loss, time 999ms
rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 0.084/0.130/0.177/0.047 ms
netns9:~ # 

Summary and outlook

It is easy to make a network namespace or container a common member of two separate VLANs realized by a Linux bridge. You have to terminate virtual veth connections, which transport tagged packets from both VLANs, properly inside the common target namespace by sub-interfaces. As long as we do not enable forwarding in the common namespace the VLANs remain separated. But routes need to be defined to direct packets from the common member to the right VLAN.

In the next post we look at commands to realize a connection of bridge based VLANs to a common network namespace with untagged packets. Such solutions are interesting for connecting multiple virtual VLANs to routers to external networks.
 

Fun with veth-devices, Linux bridges and VLANs in unnamed Linux network namespaces – VII

In the last articles of our excursion on network namespaces, veth-devices and virtual networking

we studied virtual VLANs a bit. We saw that virtual VLANs can be defined just by applying certain configuration options to Linux bridge ports. In addition, virtual VLANs can be extended over several Linux bridges via veth sub-interfaces OR pure veth trunk connections. These possibilities support already a large variety of options for the configuration of virtual networks (e.g. for a bunch of containers). We discussed some simple illustrative test cases, in which containers were represented by simple network namespaces.

However, so far, four properties characterized our test configurations:

  • All network namespaces (or container hosts) connected to a Linux bridge belonged to exactly one of the involved VLANs.
  • All network namespaces (or container hosts) belonging to the involved VLANs were connected to a Linux bridge via ports which sent out untagged packets on egress from the bridge to the target namespaces and received untagged packets from the namespaces (or container hosts).
  • The VLANs (e.g. VLAN1, VLAN2) were completely defined by PVID/VID definition at Linux bridge ports, only. We eliminated in addition default PVID/VID values. Thus, the VLANs were completely isolated from each other: No host/namespace of a VLAN1 could communicate with a host/namespace belonging to a different VLAN2.
  • Different Linux bridges (which could reside on different hosts) were connected by (virtual or real) cables between trunk ports or sub-interface ports; the cables connecting the bridges transferred packets with different tags. We used this to keep up the isolation of the VLANs against each other even when we extended the VLANs over multiple bridges.

The third point may be good in the sense of security in many applications - but it is also restrictive. The first deficit may be that at least some hosts in a VLAN2 should be able to reach a certain server in VLAN1. This problem can be solved by establishing routing, forwarding and packet filtering outside the bridge. But there may be other requirements ....

New challenges

More interesting may be configurations

  • where you need to set up some containers/namespaces as common members of two ore more VLANs
  • or in which you need to establish network namespaces for gathering network packets from different VLANs and organize a common communication with further networks via specific interfaces.

In future posts of this series, we, therefore, introduce additional network namespaces (representing LXC or Docker containers) to test examples for such configurations. These new namespaces should at least be able to communicate with member namespaces/hosts of different VLANs and transfer packets from multiple VLANs to other network namespaces or routers.

In the present post I walk through some basic considerations of such configurations. For this purpose we restrict the number of involved VLANs to 2 (VLAN1: green tags / VLAN2: pink tags). Each VLAN shall be represented by one example member network namespace (VLAN1: netns1 / VLAN2: netns2). In addition, we introduce a third network namespace netns3, which shall be connected to the VLANs and which should fulfill the following requirements:

  • Requirement 1: netns3 shall be able to receive packets from members of both VLANs and send packets to destination targets in both VLANs. I.e., netns3 must be able to communicate with member systems of both VLANs.
  • Requirement 2: netns3 shall, however, not become a packet forwarder between the VLANs; the VLANs shall remain separated despite the fact that they have a common communication partner netns3.

After all we have learned in this article series, we would, of course, try to establish the connection between members of VLAN1 (represented by netns1) and members of VLAN2 (netns2) to netns3 with the help of an intermediate network namespace netnsX. If required we would equip netnsX with a Linux bridge. Thus, the requirements lead to a typical

"3 point connection problem":
Each of the VLANs is connected to netnX by 2 separate "connectors" (NICs or ports of a Linux bridge inside netnsX). A third "connector" attaches netns3 somehow. Schematically this is shown in the following graphics:

We associate VLAN1 with VLAN packet tags depicted in green color, VLAN2 with packets tags in pink. From "requirement 2" we conclude that we have to be careful with forwarding inside of BOTH netns3 AND netnsX.

Note:
We are not talking about reaching a member of VLAN2 from certain members of VLAN1. We shall touch this VLAN subject, too, but only as a side aspect. In the center of our analysis are instead network namespaces which can talk freely to members of two VLANs and which can receive and work with packets from two VLANs without destroying the communication isolation of members in VLAN1 against members in VLAN2.

What are real world applications for scenarios with network namespaces connected to two or more VLANs?

Two basic applications scenarios are the following:

  • A common administrative network namespace - or container host - for systems in both VLANs. This namespace/container shall operate without allowing for traffic between the VLANs.
  • A system which transfers packets from/to systems in both VLANs via a router to/from the external world or the Internet - without allowing for traffic between the VLANs.

The challenge is to find virtual network configurations for such scenarios. To make it a bit more challenging we assume that both VLANs are defined for systems of the same IP network class. (There is no requirement that limits different VLANs to different IP classes. A VLAN can cover several IP class networks; on the other side two different VLANs can each have members of the same IP class).

There are of course more application scenarios - but the two elementary ones named above cover most of the basic principles. We shall see that - depending on the solution approach - routing, packet filters and even forwarding must be addressed to realize the objectives of a certain scenario.

Ambiguities: Two different classes of packet transfer solutions

In netns3 we need to work with packets arriving from both VLANs. We also need to send back packets to destinations in both VLANs. But, there is a basic ambiguity related to the third connector and the connection line between netnsX and netns3. It is expressed by the following question:

Do we want to or can we afford to exchange tagged packets between netnsX and netns3?

This is not so trivial a question as it may seem to be! The answer depends on whether the network devices or applications inside netns3 know how to deal with and how to direct or transfer tagged packets.

In case we keep up VLAN tags until the inside of netns3 we must either provide a proper termination for the connection interface(s) or be able to pass tagged packets onward. If, however, netns3 does not know how to deal with tagged packets or if it makes no sense to keep up tagging we would rather send untagged packets from netnsX to netns3. One good reason why it may not make sense to keep up tagging could be that the tags would not survive a subsequent routing to the outside world anyway.

Thus we arrive at two rather different classes of connectivity solutions:

Let us first concentrate on termination solutions for tagged packets inside netns3 as depicted on the left side of the upper drawing:

As we have already seen in previous posts it is no problem to keep up tagging on the way from netns1 or netns2 to netns3. We know how to transfer tagged and untagged packets in and out of Linux bridges and thus we can be confident to find a suitable transfer solution based on a bridge inside netnsX. By the help of 2 sub-interfaces of e.g. a virtual veth device we could terminate the network transport properly inside netns3. So, it seems to be easy to make netns3 a member of both VLANs in this first class of connection approach. But, as we shall understand in a minute, we need a little more than just a bridge in netnsX and veth sub-interfaces to get a working configuration ....

A really different situations arises if we needed a configuration as presented on the right side of the graphics. The challenge there is not so much the creation of untagged packets going out of netnsX but the path of VLAN-ignorant packets coming in e.g. from the external world through netns3 and heading for members of either VLAN. Such packets must somehow then be directed to the right VLAN according to the IP address of the target. Such a targeting problem typically requires some kind of routing. So, on first sight a Linux bridge does not seem to be of much help in netnsX as there is no routing on a level 2 device! But, actually, we shall find that a Linux bridge in netnsX can lead to a working solution for untagged packets from/to netns3 - but such a solution comes with a prize.

Approaches with terminated VLAN connections in a common network namespace fit very well to the scenario of a common container host for the administration of systems in multiple VLANs. Solutions which instead use untagged packets entering and leaving netns3, instead fits very well to scenarios where multiple VLANs want to use a common connection (Ethernet card) or a common router to external networks.

Solutions which use packet tags and terminate VLAN traffic inside a common member of multiple VLANs

Let us assume that netns3 shall represent a host for the administration of netns1 in VLAN 1 (green) and netns2 in VLAN 2 (pink). Let us decide to keep up tagging all along the way from netns1 or netns2 to netns3. From the previous examples in this blog post series the following approaches for a netnsX-bridge-configuration look very plausible:

However, if you only configured the bridge, its ports and the veth devices properly and eventually tried pinging from netns1 to netns3 you would fail. (There are articles and questions on the Internet describing problems with such situations...). So, what is missing? The answer is as simple as it is instructive:

VLANs define a closed broadcast environment on TCP/IP network level 2. Why are broadcasts so important? Because we need a working ARP protocol to connect level2 to level 3, and ARP sends broadcast requests for the MAC address of a target, which has a given IP address AND which, hopefully, is a member of the VLAN.

With a proper bridge port configuration such a ARP request packet would travel all along from netns1 to netns3. BUT:
The real challenge is the way back of ARP answering packets - such answering packets must reach their targets before any other communication on level 3 can start to work properly. As we only are in the middle of an initial ARP communication: How can netns3 know where to direct the ARP answering packets to if there are two possible paths back? Without help it cannot. So, the proper answer is:

We need to establish routes inside netns3 when we keep up the separation of the VLANs up until to 2 different termination points inside netns3. These routes for outgoing packets must assign IP-targets located in each of the VLANs to one of the 2 network interfaces (termination points) inside netns3 in a unique way.

This is a trivial point, but often enough people forget this type of routing. Note in addition:
If the different VLANs have members with an IP of one and the same IP class, then you do not differentiate routes in the sense of "network class <=> interface" but in the sense "host IP <=> interface"; such routes must be defined for all members of each VLAN. I shall give examples for corresponding commands in my next blog post of this series.

Forwarding?

As we talk of routing: Do we need forwarding, too? Answer: No, not as long as netns3 is the final target or the origin of packet transport in a given application scenario. Why is this important? Because routing between interfaces connected to bridge ports of different VLANs would establish a communication connection between otherwise separated VLANs.

To enable packets to cross VLAN borders we either have to destroy the separation already on a bridge port level OR we must allow for routing and forwarding between NICs which are located outside the bridge but which are connected to ports of the bridge. E.g., let us assume that the sub-interfaces in netns3 are named veth33.10 (VLAN1 termination) and veth33.20 (VLAN2 termination). If we had not just set up routes like

route add 192.168.5.1 veth33.10
route add 192.168.5.4 veth33.20

but in addition had enabled forwarding with

echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/conf/all/forwarding

inside netns3 we would have established a communication line between our two VLANs. Fortunately, in many cases, forwarding is not required in a common member of two VLANs. Most often only route definitions are necessary. In particular, we can set up a host which must perform administrative tasks in both VLANs without creating an open communication line between the VLANs. However, we would have to trust the administrator of netns3 not to enable forwarding. Personally, I would not rely on this; it is more secure to establish port and IP related packet filtering on the bridge inside netnsX. Especially rules in the sense:

Only packets for a certain IP address are allowed to leave the Linux bridge (which establishes the VLANs) across a certain egress port to a certain VLAN member.

Such rules for bridge ports can be set up e-g- with special iptables commands for bridged packets.

Intermediate conclusions for solutions with VLAN termination in a common network namespace

We summarize the results of our theoretical discussion for the first class of solutions:

  • VLAN termination inside a network namespace (or container host), which shall become a common member of several VLANs, can easily be achieved with sub-interfaces of a veth device. The other interface of the veth pair can be attached by sub-interfaces OR as a pure trunk port to a Linux bridge which is connected to the different VLANs or which establishes the VLANs itself by proper port configurations.
  • If we terminate VLANs inside a network namespace or container host, which shall become a member of two or more VLANs, then we need to define proper routes to IP targets behind each of the different VLAN related interfaces. However, we do NOT need to enable forwarding in this namespace or container host.

A three point netnX solution without packet tagging, but with forwarding to a common target network namespace

Now, let us consider solutions of the second class indicated above. If you think about it a bit you may come up with the following basic and simple approach regarding netnsX and netns3:

This solution is solid in the sense that it works on network level 3 and that it makes use of standard routing and forwarding. The required VLAN tagging at each of the lower connection points in netnsX can be achieved by a properly configured sub-interface of a veth device interface. We do not employ any bridge services in netnsX in this approach; packet distribution to VLAN members must be handled in other network namespaces behind the VLAN connection points in netnsX. (We know already how to do this ...).

This simple solution, however, has its prize:

We need to enable forwarding for the transfer of packets from the VLAN connection interfaces (attaching e.g. netns1 and netns2 to netnsX) to the the interface attaching netns3 to netnsX. But, unfortunately, this creates a communication line between VLAN1 and VLAN2, too! To compensate for this we must set up a packet filter, with rules disallowing packets to travel between the VLAN connection points inside netnsX. Furthermore, packets coming via/from netns3 shall only be allowed to pass through exactly one of the lower VLAN interfaces in netnsX if and when the target IP fits to a membership in the VLAN behind the NIC.

There is, by the way a second prize, we have to pay in such a router like solution for the connection of VLANs to an outside world without tags:

Level 3 routing costs a bit more computational time than packet transport on level 2.

But, if you (for whatever reason) only can provide one working Ethernet interface to the outside world, it is a small prize to pay!

Intermediate result:

An intermediate virtual network namespace (or virtual host) netnsX with conventional routing/forwarding AND appropriate packet filter rules on a firewall can be used to control the communication of members of two or more VLANs to the outside world via a third (common) interface attached to netnsX. We do not need to care for VLAN tags beyond this third interface as VLAN tags do not survive forwarding. Further routing, forwarding and required NAT configurations with respect to the Internet can afterward be done inside yet another virtual namespace "netns3" (with a bridge and an attached real Ethernet card) or even beyond netns3 in an external physical router.

A three point netnX solution without packet tagging - but based on a Linux bridge

Now, let us consider how a Linux bridge in netnsX could transfer packets even if we do not tag packets on their way between the bridge and netns3. I.e., if we want connect two VLANs to a VLAN-ignorant network namespace netns3 and a VLAN indifferent world beyond netns3. What is the problem with a configuration as indicated on the right side of the picture on different solution classes?

A port to netns3 which shall emit untagged packets from a VLAN-aware Linux bridge must be configured such

  • that it accepts tagged packets from both VLAN1 and VLAN2 on egress; i.e. we must apply two VID settings (for green and pink tagged pakets).
  • that it sends out packets on egress untagged; i.e. we must configure the port with the flag "untagged".

But VID settings also filter and drop incoming "ingress" packets at a port! E.g. untagged packets from netns3 are dropped on their way into the Linux bridge. See the post Fun with ... – IV for related rules on Linux bridge ports. This is a major problem:

Firstly, because we cannot send any ARP broadcast requests from netns3 to netns1 or netns2. And, equally bad, netns3 cannot answer to any ARP requests which it may receive from members of VLAN1 or VLAN2:

ARP broadcast requests from e.g. netns1 will pass the bridge port to netns3 and arrive there untagged. However, untagged ARP answer packets will not be allowed to enter the bridge at the port for netns3 because they do not fit to the VID settings at this port.

But, can't we use PVID settings? Hmm, remember: Only one PVID setting is allowed at a port! But in our case ARP broadcast and answering packets must be able to reach members of both VLANs! Are we stuck, then? No, a working solution is the following:

In the drawing above we have indicated PVID settings by squares with dotted, colored borders and VID settings by squares with solid borders. The configuration may look strange, but it eliminates the obstacles for ARP packet exchange! And it allows for packet transfer from netns3 to both VLANs.

Actually, the "blue" PVID/VID setting reflects the default PVID/VID settings (VID=1; PVID=1) which come up whenever we create a port in VLAN-aware bridge! Up to now, we have always deleted these default values to guarantee a complete VLAN isolation; but you may already have wondered why this default setting takes place at all. Now, you got a reason.

If you, in addition, take into account that a Linux bridge learns about port-MAC relations and that it - under normal conditions - forwards or filters packets during bridge internal forwarding between ports

  • according to MAC addresses located behind a port
  • AND tags matching VID values at a port,

you may rightfully assume that packets cannot move from VLAN1 to VLAN2 or vice versa under normal operation conditions. We shall test this in an example scenario in one of the coming blog posts.

HOWEVER ....virtual networks with level 2 bridges are endangered areas. The PVID/VID settings of our present bridge based approach weaken the separation between the VLANs significantly.

Security aspects

For all configurations discussed above, we must be careful with netns3: netns3 is in an excellent position to potentially transfer packets between VLAN1 and VLAN2 - either by direct forwarding/routing in some of the above scenarios or by capturing, manipulating and re-directing packets. Secondly, netns3 is in an excellent position for man-in-the-middle-attacks

  • regarding traffic between members of either VLAN
  • or regarding traffic between the VLANs and the outside world beyond netns3.

netns3 can capture, manipulate and redirect any packets passing it. As administrators we should, therefore, have full control over netns3.

In addition: If you ever worked on defense measures against bridge related attack vectors you know

  • that a Linux bridge can be forced into a HUB mode if flooded with wrong or disagreeing MAC information.
  • that man-in-the-middle-attacks are possible by flooding hosts attached to bridges with wrong MAC-IP-information; this leads to manipulated ARP tables at the attacked targets.

These points lead to potential risks especially in the last bridge based solution to our three point problem. Reason: The "blue" PVID/VID settings there eliminate the previously strict separation of the two VLANs for packets which come from netns3 and enter the bridge at a related port. We rely completely on correct entries in the bridge's MAC/port relation table for a safe VLAN separation.

But the bridge could be manipulated from any of the attached container hosts into a HUB mode. This in turn would e.g. allow a member of VLAN1 to see (e.g. answering) packets, which arrive from netns3 (or an origin located beyond netns3) and which are targeted to a member of VLAN2. Such packets may carry enough information for opening other attack vectors.

So, a fundamental conclusion of our discussion is the following:

It is essential that you apply packet filter rules on bridge based solutions that hinder packets to reach targets (containers) with the wrong IP/MAC-relation at egress ports! Such rules can be applied to bridge ports by the various means of Linux netfilter tools.

On a host level this may be a task which becomes relatively difficult if you apply flexible DHCP-based IP assignments to members of the VLANs. But, if you need to choose between flexibility and full control about which attached namespace/container gets which IP (and MAC) and your virtual networks are not too big : go for control - e.g via setup scripts.

Summary and outlook

Theoretically, there are several possibilities to establish virtual communication lines from a network namespace or container to members of multiple virtual VLANs. Solutions with tagged packet transfer require a proper termination inside the common member namespace and the definition of routes. As long as we do not enable forwarding outside the VLAN establishing Linux bridge the VLANs remain separated. Solutions where packets are transferred untagged from the VLANs to a target network namespace require special PVID/VID settings at the bridge port to enable a bidirectional communication. These settings weaken the VLAN separation and underline the importance of packet filter rules on the Linux bridge and for the various bridge ports.

In the next post of this series we will look at commands for setting up a test environment for 2 VLANs with a common communication target. And we will test the considerations discussed above.

In the meantime : Happy New Year - and stay tuned for more adventures with Linux, Linux virtual bridges and network namespaces ...

Fun with veth-devices, Linux bridges and VLANs in unnamed Linux network namespaces – VI

I continue my excursion into virtual networking based on network namespaces, veth devices, Linux bridges and virtual VLANs.

  1. Fun with veth-devices, Linux bridges and VLANs in unnamed Linux network namespaces – I
    [Commands to create and enter (unnamed) network namespaces via shell processes]
  2. Fun with .... – II [Suggested experiments for virtual networking between network namespaces/containers]
  3. Fun with ... – III[Connecting network namespaces (or containers) by veth devices and virtual Linux bridges]
  4. Fun with ... – IV[Virtual VLANs for network namespaces (or containers) and VLAN tagging at Linux bridge ports based on veth (sub-) interfaces]
  5. Fun with veth-devices, Linux bridges and VLANs in unnamed Linux network namespaces – V[Creation of two virtual VLANs for 2 groups of network namespaces/containers by a Linux bridge]

Although we worked with Linux network namespaces only, the basic setups, commands and rules discussed so far are applicable for the network connection of (LXC) containers, too. Reason: Each container establishes (at least) its own network namespace - and the latter is where the container's network devices operate. So, at its core a test of virtual networking between the containers means a test of networking between different network namespaces with appropriate (virtual) devices. We do not always require full fledged containers; often the creation of network namespaces with proper virtual Ethernet devices is sufficient to check the functionality of a virtual network and e.g. packet filter rules for its devices.

Virtual network connectivity (of containers) typically depends on veth devices and virtual bridges/switches. In this post we look at virtual VLANs spanning 2 bridges.

Our achievements so far

We know already the Linux commands required to create and enter simple (unnamed) network namespaces and give them individual hostnames. We connected these namespaces directly with veth devices and with the help of a virtual Linux bridge. But namespaces/containers can also be arranged in groups participating in a separate isolated network environment - a VLAN. We saw that the core setup of virtual VLANs can be achieved just by configuring virtual Linux bridges appropriately: We define one or multiple VLANs by assigning VIDs/PVIDs to Linux bridge ports. The VLAN is established inside the bridge by controlling packet transport between ports. Packet tagging outside a bridge is not required for the creation of simple coexisting VLANs.

However, the rules governing the corresponding packet tagging at bridge ports depend on the port type: We, therefore, listed up rules both for veth sub-interfaces and trunk interfaces attached to bridges - and, of course, for incoming and outgoing packets. The tagging rules discussed in post IV allow for different setups of more complex VLANs - sometimes there are several solutions with different advantages and disadvantages.

Our first example in the last post were two virtual VLANs defined by a Linux bridge. Can we extend this simple scenario such that the VLANs span several hosts and/or several bridges on the same host? Putting containers (and their network namespaces) into separate VLANs which integrate several hosts is no academic exercise: Even in small environments we may find situations, where containers have to be placed on different hosts with independent HW resources.

Simulating the connection of two hosts

In reality two hosts, each with its own Linux bridge for network namespaces (or containers), would be connected by real Ethernet cards, possibly with sub-interfaces, and a cable. Each Ethernet card (or their sub-interfaces) would be attached to the local bridge of each host. Veths give us the functionality of 2 Ethernet devices connected by a cable. In addition, one can split each veth interfaces into sub-interfaces (see the last post!). So we can simulate all kinds of host connections by bride connections on one and the same host. In our growing virtual test environment (see article 2) we construct the area encircled with the blue dotted line:

Different setups for the connection of two bridges

Actually, there are two different ways how to connect two virtual bridges: We can attach VLAN sensitive sub-interfaces of Ethernet devices to the bridges OR we can use the standard interfaces and build "trunk ports".

Both variants work - the tagging of the Ethernet packets, however, occurs differently. The different ways of tagging become important in coming experiments with hosts belonging to 2 VLANs. (The differences, of course, also affect packet filter rules for the ports.) So, its instructive to cover both solutions.

Experiment 5.1 - Two virtual VLANs spanning two Linux bridges connected by (veth) Ethernet devices with sub-interfaces

We study the solution based on veth sub-interfaces first. Both virtual bridges shall establish two VLANs: "VLAN 1" (green) and "VLAN 2" (pink). Members of the green VLAN shall be able to communicate with each other, but not with members of the pink VLAN. And vice versa.

To enable such a solution our veth cable must transport packets tagged differently - namely according to their VLAN origin/destination. The following graphics displays the scenario in more detail:

PVID assignments to ports are indicated by dotted squares, VID assignments by squares with a solid border. Packets are symbolized by diamonds. The border color of the diamonds correspond to the tag color (VLAN ID).

Note that we also indicated some results of our tests of "experiment 4" in the last post:

At Linux bridge ports, which are based on sub-interfaces and which got a PVID assigned, any outside packet tags are irrelevant for the tagging inside the bridge. Inside the bridge a packet gets a tag according to the PVID of the port through which the packet enters the bridge!

If we accept this rule then we should be able to assign tags (VLAN IDs) to packets moving through the veth cable different from the tags used inside the bridges. Actually, we should even be able to use altogether different VIDs/PVIDs inside the second bridge, too, as long as we separate the namespace groups correctly. But let us start simple ...

Creating the network namespaces, Linux bridges and the veth sub-interfaces

The following command list sets up the environment including two bridges brx (in netns3) and bry (in netns8). Scroll to see all commands and copy it to a root shell prompt ...

unshare --net --uts /bin/bash &
export pid_netns1=$!
nsenter -t $pid_netns1 -u hostname netns1
unshare --net --uts /bin/bash &
export pid_netns2=$!
unshare --net --uts /bin/bash &
export pid_netns3=$!
unshare --net --uts /bin/bash &
export pid_netns4=$!
unshare --net --uts /bin/bash &
export pid_netns5=$!
unshare --net --uts /bin/bash &
export pid_netns6=$!
unshare --net --uts /bin/bash &
export pid_netns7=$!
unshare --net --uts /bin/bash &
export pid_netns8=$!

# assign different hostnames  
nsenter -t $pid_netns1 -u hostname netns1
nsenter -t $pid_netns2 -u hostname netns2
nsenter -t $pid_netns3 -u hostname netns3
nsenter -t $pid_netns4 -u hostname netns4
nsenter -t $pid_netns5 -u hostname netns5
nsenter -t $pid_netns6 -u hostname netns6
nsenter -t $pid_netns7 -u hostname netns7
nsenter -t $pid_netns8 -u hostname netns8

#set up veth devices in netns1 to netns4 with connection to netns3  
ip link add veth11 netns $pid_netns1 type veth peer name veth13 netns $pid_netns3
ip link add veth22 netns $pid_netns2 type veth peer name veth23 netns $pid_netns3
ip link add veth44 netns $pid_netns4 type veth peer name veth43 netns $pid_netns3
ip link add veth55 netns $pid_netns5 type veth peer name veth53 netns $pid_netns3

#set up veth devices in netns6 and netns7 with connection to netns8   
ip link add veth66 netns $pid_netns6 type veth peer name veth68 netns $pid_netns8
ip link add veth77 netns $pid_netns7 type veth peer name veth78 netns $pid_netns8

# Assign IP addresses and set the devices up 
nsenter -t $pid_netns1 -u -n /bin/bash
ip addr add 192.168.5.1/24 brd 192.168.5.255 dev veth11
ip link set veth11 up
ip link set lo up
exit
nsenter -t $pid_netns2 -u -n /bin/bash
ip addr add 192.168.5.2/24 brd 192.168.5.255 dev veth22
ip link set veth22 up
ip link set lo up
exit
nsenter -t $pid_netns4 -u -n /bin/bash
ip addr add 192.168.5.4/24 brd 192.168.5.255 dev veth44
ip link set veth44 up
ip link set lo up
exit
nsenter -t $pid_netns5 -u -n /bin/bash
ip addr add 192.168.5.5/24 brd 192.168.5.255 dev veth55
ip link set veth55 up
ip link set lo up
exit
nsenter -t $pid_netns6 -u -n /bin/bash
ip addr add 192.168.5.6/24 brd 192.168.5.255 dev veth66
ip link set veth66 up
ip link set lo up
exit
nsenter -t $pid_netns7 -u -n /bin/bash
ip addr add 192.168.5.7/24 brd 192.168.5.255 dev veth77
ip link set veth77 up
ip link set lo up
exit

# set up bridge brx and its ports 
nsenter -t $pid_netns3 -u -n /bin/bash
brctl addbr brx  
ip link set brx up
ip link set veth13 up
ip link set veth23 up
ip link set veth43 up
ip link set veth53 up
brctl addif brx veth13
brctl addif brx veth23
brctl addif brx veth43
brctl addif brx veth53
exit

# set up bridge bry and its ports 
nsenter -t $pid_netns8 -u -n /bin/bash
brctl addbr bry  
ip link set bry up
ip link set veth68 up
ip link set veth78 up
brctl addif bry veth68
brctl addif bry veth78
exit

Set up the VLANs

The following commands configure the VLANs by assigning PVIDs/VIDs to the bridge ports (see the last 2 posts for more information):

# set up 2 VLANs on each bridge 
nsenter -t $pid_netns3 -u -n /bin/bash
ip link set dev brx type bridge vlan_filtering 1
bridge vlan add vid 10 pvid untagged dev veth13
bridge vlan add vid 10 pvid untagged dev veth23
bridge vlan add vid 20 pvid untagged dev veth43
bridge vlan add vid 20 pvid untagged dev veth53
bridge vlan del vid 1 dev brx self
bridge vlan del vid 1 dev veth13
bridge vlan del vid 1 dev veth23
bridge vlan del vid 1 dev veth43
bridge vlan del vid 1 dev veth53
bridge vlan show
exit
nsenter -t $pid_netns8 -u -n /bin/bash
ip link set dev bry type bridge vlan_filtering 1
bridge vlan add vid 10 pvid untagged dev veth68
bridge vlan add vid 20 pvid untagged dev veth78
bridge vlan del vid 1 dev bry self
bridge vlan del vid 1 dev veth68
bridge vlan del vid 1 dev veth78
bridge vlan show
exit

 
We have a whole bunch of network namespaces now. Use "lsns" to get an overview. See the first 2 articles of the series, if you need an explanation of the commands used above and additional commands to get more information about the created namespaces and processes.

Note that we used VID 10, PVID 10 on the bridge ports to establish VLAN1 (green) and VID 20, PVID 20 to establish VLAN2 (pink). Note in addition that there is NO VLAN tagging required outside the bridges; thus the flag "untagged" to enforce Ethernet packets to leave the bridges untagged. Consistently, no sub-interfaces have been defined in the network namespace 1, 2, 4, 5, 6, 7. Note also, that we removed the PVID/VID = 1 default values from the ports.

The bridges are not connected, yet. Therefore, our next step is to create a connecting veth device with VLAN sub-interfaces - and to attach the sub-interfaces to the bridges :

#Create a veth device to connect the two bridges 
ip link add vethx netns $pid_netns3 type veth peer name vethy netns $pid_netns8
nsenter -t $pid_netns3 -u -n /bin/bash
ip link add link vethx name vethx.50 type vlan id 50
ip link add link vethx name vethx.60 type vlan id 60
brctl addif brx vethx.50
brctl addif brx vethx.60
ip link set vethx up
ip link set vethx.50 up
ip link set vethx.60 up
bridge vlan add vid 10 pvid untagged dev vethx.50
bridge vlan add vid 20 pvid untagged dev vethx.60
bridge vlan del vid 1 dev vethx.50
bridge vlan del vid 1 dev vethx.60
bridge vlan show
exit

nsenter -t $pid_netns8 -u -n /bin/bash
ip link add link vethy name vethy.50 type vlan id 50
ip link add link vethy name vethy.60 type vlan id 60
brctl addif bry vethy.50
brctl addif bry vethy.60
ip link set vethy up
ip link set vethy.50 up
ip link set vethy.60 up
bridge vlan add vid 10 pvid untagged dev vethy.50
bridge vlan add vid 20 pvid untagged dev vethy.60
bridge vlan del vid 1 dev vethy.50
bridge vlan del vid 1 dev vethy.60
bridge vlan show
exit

 
Note that we have used VLAN IDs 50 and 60 outside the bridge! Note also the VID/PVID settings and the flag "untagged" at our bridge ports vethx.50, vethx.60, vethy.50, vethy.60. The bridge internal tags of outgoing packets are first removed; afterwards the veth sub-interfaces re-tag outgoing packets automatically with tags for VLAN IDs 50,60.

However, we have kept up consistent tagging histories for packets propagating between the bridges and along the vethx/vethy line:

"10=>50=>10"

and

"20=>60=>20"

So, Ethernet packets nowhere cross the borders of our separated VLANs - if our theory works correctly.

Routing? 2 or 4 VLANs?

Routes for 192.168.5.0/24 were set up automatically in the network namespaces netns1, 2, 4, 5, 6, 7. You may check this by entering the namespaces with a shell (nsenter command) and using the command "route".

Note that we have chosen all IP address to be in the same class. All our virtual devices work on the network link layer (L1/2 of the OSI model). Further IP routing across the bridges is not required on this level. The correct association of IP addresses and MAC addresses across the bridges and all VLANs is instead managed by the ARP protocol.

Our network namespaces should be able to get into contact - as long as they belong to the "same" VLAN.

Note: Each bridge sets up its own 2 VLANs; so, actually, we have built 4 VLANs!. But the bridges are connected in such a way that packet transport works across these 4 VLANs as if they were only two VLANs spanning the bridges.

Tests

We first test whether netns7 can communicate with e.g. netns5, which it should. On the other side netns7 should not be able to ping e.g. netns1. It is instructive to open several terminal windows from our original terminal (on KDE e.g. by "konsole &>/dev/null &") and to enter different namespaces there to get an impression of what happens.

mytux:~ # nsenter -t $pid_netns7 -u -n /bin/bash
netns7:~ # ping 192.168.5.1 -c2
PING 192.168.5.1 (192.168.5.1) 56(84) bytes of data.
From 192.168.5.7 icmp_seq=1 Destination Host Unreachable
From 192.168.5.7 icmp_seq=2 Destination Host Unreachable

--- 192.168.5.1 ping statistics ---
2 packets transmitted, 0 received, +2 errors, 100% packet loss, time 1008ms
pipe 2
netns7:~ # ping 192.168.5.5 -c2
PING 192.168.5.5 (192.168.5.5) 56(84) bytes of data.
64 bytes from 192.168.5.5: icmp_seq=1 ttl=64 time=0.170 ms
64 bytes from 192.168.5.5: icmp_seq=2 ttl=64 time=0.087 ms

--- 192.168.5.5 ping statistics ---
2 packets transmitted, 2 received, 0% packet loss, time 999ms
rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 0.087/0.128/0.170/0.043 ms
netns7:~ # 

And at the same time inside bry in netns8 :

mytux:~ # nsenter -t $pid_netns8 -u -n /bin/bash
netns8:~ # tcpdump -n -i bry  host 192.168.5.1 -e
tcpdump: verbose output suppressed, use -v or -vv for full protocol decode
listening on bry, link-type EN10MB (Ethernet), capture size 262144 bytes
14:38:48.780367 8a:1e:62:e8:f3:c3 > ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff, ethertype 802.1Q (0x8100), length 46: vlan 20, p 0, ethertype ARP, Request who-has 192.168.5.1 tell 192.168.5.7, length 28
14:38:49.778559 8a:1e:62:e8:f3:c3 > ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff, ethertype 802.1Q (0x8100), length 46: vlan 20, p 0, ethertype ARP, Request who-has 192.168.5.1 tell 192.168.5.7, length 28
14:38:50.778574 8a:1e:62:e8:f3:c3 > ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff, ethertype 802.1Q (0x8100), length 46: vlan 20, p 0, ethertype ARP, Request who-has 192.168.5.1 tell 192.168.5.7, length 28
^C
3 packets captured
3 packets received by filter
0 packets dropped by kernel
netns8:~ # tcpdump -n -i bry  host 192.168.5.5 -e
tcpdump: verbose output suppressed, use -v or -vv for full protocol decode
listening on bry, link-type EN10MB (Ethernet), capture size 262144 bytes
14:39:30.045117 8a:1e:62:e8:f3:c3 > ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff, ethertype 802.1Q (0x8100), length 46: vlan 20, p 0, ethertype ARP, Request who-has 192.168.5.5 tell 192.168.5.7, length 28
14:39:30.045184 2e:75:26:04:a9:70 > 8a:1e:62:e8:f3:c3, ethertype 802.1Q (0x8100), length 46: vlan 20, p 0, ethertype ARP, Reply 192.168.5.5 is-at 2e:75:26:04:a9:70, length 28
14:39:30.045193 8a:1e:62:e8:f3:c3 > 2e:75:26:04:a9:70, ethertype 802.1Q (0x8100), length 102: vlan 20, p 0, ethertype IPv4, 192.168.5.7 > 192.168.5.5: ICMP echo request, id 21633, seq 1, length 64
14:39:30.045247 2e:75:26:04:a9:70 > 8a:1e:62:e8:f3:c3, ethertype 802.1Q (0x8100), length 102: vlan 20, p 0, ethertype IPv4, 192.168.5.5 > 192.168.5.7: ICMP echo reply, id 21633, seq 1, length 64
14:39:31.044106 8a:1e:62:e8:f3:c3 > 2e:75:26:04:a9:70, ethertype 802.1Q (0x8100), length 102: vlan 20, p 0, ethertype IPv4, 192.168.5.7 > 192.168.5.5: ICMP echo request, id 21633, seq 2, length 64
14:39:31.044165 2e:75:26:04:a9:70 > 8a:1e:62:e8:f3:c3, ethertype 802.1Q (0x8100), length 102: vlan 20, p 0, ethertype IPv4, 192.168.5.5 > 192.168.5.7: ICMP echo reply, id 21633, seq 2, length 64
14:39:35.058576 2e:75:26:04:a9:70 > 8a:1e:62:e8:f3:c3, ethertype 802.1Q (0x8100), length 46: vlan 20, p 0, ethertype ARP, Request who-has 192.168.5.7 tell 192.168.5.5, length 28
14:39:35.058587 8a:1e:62:e8:f3:c3 > 2e:75:26:04:a9:70, ethertype 802.1Q (0x8100), length 46: vlan 20, p 0, ethertype ARP, Reply 192.168.5.7 is-at 8a:1e:62:e8:f3:c3, length 28
^C
8 packets captured
8 packets received by filter
0 packets dropped by kernel
netns8:~ # 

 

And parallel at vethx in netns3 :

mytux:~ # nsenter -t $pid_netns3 -u -n /bin/bash
netns3:~ # tcpdump -n -i vethx  host 192.168.5.1 -e
tcpdump: verbose output suppressed, use -v or -vv for full protocol decode
listening on vethx, link-type EN10MB (Ethernet), capture size 262144 bytes
14:38:48.780381 8a:1e:62:e8:f3:c3 > ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff, ethertype 802.1Q (0x8100), length 46: vlan 60, p 0, ethertype ARP, Request who-has 192.168.5.1 tell 192.168.5.7, length 28
14:38:49.778582 8a:1e:62:e8:f3:c3 > ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff, ethertype 802.1Q (0x8100), length 46: vlan 60, p 0, ethertype ARP, Request who-has 192.168.5.1 tell 192.168.5.7, length 28
14:38:50.778594 8a:1e:62:e8:f3:c3 > ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff, ethertype 802.1Q (0x8100), length 46: vlan 60, p 0, ethertype ARP, Request who-has 192.168.5.1 tell 192.168.5.7, length 28
^C
3 packets captured
3 packets received by filter
0 packets dropped by kernel
netns3:~ # tcpdump -n -i vethx  host 192.168.5.5 -e
tcpdump: verbose output suppressed, use -v or -vv for full protocol decode
listening on vethx, link-type EN10MB (Ethernet), capture size 262144 bytes
14:39:30.045131 8a:1e:62:e8:f3:c3 > ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff, ethertype 802.1Q (0x8100), length 46: vlan 60, p 0, ethertype ARP, Request who-has 192.168.5.5 tell 192.168.5.7, length 28
14:39:30.045182 2e:75:26:04:a9:70 > 8a:1e:62:e8:f3:c3, ethertype 802.1Q (0x8100), length 46: vlan 60, p 0, ethertype ARP, Reply 192.168.5.5 is-at 2e:75:26:04:a9:70, length 28
14:39:30.045210 8a:1e:62:e8:f3:c3 > 2e:75:26:04:a9:70, ethertype 802.1Q (0x8100), length 102: vlan 60, p 0, ethertype IPv4, 192.168.5.7 > 192.168.5.5: ICMP echo request, id 21633, seq 1, length 64
14:39:30.045246 2e:75:26:04:a9:70 > 8a:1e:62:e8:f3:c3, ethertype 802.1Q (0x8100), length 102: vlan 60, p 0, ethertype IPv4, 192.168.5.5 > 192.168.5.7: ICMP echo reply, id 21633, seq 1, length 64
14:39:31.044123 8a:1e:62:e8:f3:c3 > 2e:75:26:04:a9:70, ethertype 802.1Q (0x8100), length 102: vlan 60, p 0, ethertype IPv4, 192.168.5.7 > 192.168.5.5: ICMP echo request, id 21633, seq 2, length 64
14:39:31.044163 2e:75:26:04:a9:70 > 8a:1e:62:e8:f3:c3, ethertype 802.1Q (0x8100), length 102: vlan 60, p 0, ethertype IPv4, 192.168.5.5 > 192.168.5.7: ICMP echo reply, id 21633, seq 2, length 64
14:39:35.058573 2e:75:26:04:a9:70 > 8a:1e:62:e8:f3:c3, ethertype 802.1Q (0x8100), length 46: vlan 60, p 0, ethertype ARP, Request who-has 192.168.5.7 tell 192.168.5.5, length 28
14:39:35.058589 8a:1e:62:e8:f3:c3 > 2e:75:26:04:a9:70, ethertype 802.1Q (0x8100), length 46: vlan 60, p 0, ethertype ARP, Reply 192.168.5.7 is-at 8a:1e:62:e8:f3:c3, length 28
^C
8 packets captured
8 packets received by filter
0 packets dropped by kernel
netns3:~ # 
 

 
How does netns7 see the world afterwards?

netns7:~ # ip a s
1: lo: <LOOPBACK,UP,LOWER_UP> mtu 65536 qdisc noqueue state UNKNOWN group default qlen 1
    link/loopback 00:00:00:00:00:00 brd 00:00:00:00:00:00
    inet 127.0.0.1/8 scope host lo
       valid_lft forever preferred_lft forever
    inet6 ::1/128 scope host 
       valid_lft forever preferred_lft forever
2: veth77@if3: <BROADCAST,MULTICAST,UP,LOWER_UP> mtu 1500 qdisc noqueue state UP group default qlen 1000
    link/ether 8a:1e:62:e8:f3:c3 brd ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff link-netnsid 0
    inet 192.168.5.7/24 brd 192.168.5.255 scope global veth77
       valid_lft forever preferred_lft forever
    inet6 fe80::881e:62ff:fee8:f3c3/64 scope link 
       valid_lft forever preferred_lft forever
netns7:~ # arp -a
? (192.168.5.1) at <incomplete> on veth77
? (192.168.5.5) at 2e:75:26:04:a9:70 [ether] on veth77                                                                                                                           
netns7:~ #                 

We have a mirrored situation on netns6 with respect to netns1 and netns5. netns6 can reach netns1, but not netns5.

These results prove what we have claimed:

  • We have a separation of the VLANs across the bridges.
  • Inside the bridges only the ports' PVID-settings determine the VLAN tag (here 20) of incoming packets.
  • Along the veth "cable" we have a completely different tag (here 60 for packets which originally got tag 20 inside bry).

Let us cross check for netns2:

mytux:~ # nsenter -t $pid_netns2 -u -n /bin/bash
netns2:~ # ping 192.168.5.7 -c2
PING 192.168.5.7 (192.168.5.7) 56(84) bytes of data.
From 192.168.5.2 icmp_seq=1 Destination Host Unreachable
From 192.168.5.2 icmp_seq=2 Destination Host Unreachable

--- 192.168.5.7 ping statistics ---
2 packets transmitted, 0 received, +2 errors, 100% packet loss, time 999ms
pipe 2
netns2:~ # ping 192.168.5.6 -c2
PING 192.168.5.6 (192.168.5.6) 56(84) bytes of data.
64 bytes from 192.168.5.6: icmp_seq=1 ttl=64 time=0.154 ms
64 bytes from 192.168.5.6: icmp_seq=2 ttl=64 time=0.092 ms

--- 192.168.5.6 ping statistics ---
2 packets transmitted, 2 received, 0% packet loss, time 999ms
rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 0.092/0.123/0.154/0.031 ms
netns2:~ # 

And how do the bridges see the world?

In netns8 and netns3 we have a closer look at the bridges:

netns8:~ # ip a s
1: lo: <LOOPBACK> mtu 65536 qdisc noop state DOWN group default qlen 1
    link/loopback 00:00:00:00:00:00 brd 00:00:00:00:00:00
2: veth68: <BROADCAST,MULTICAST,UP,LOWER_UP> mtu 1500 qdisc noqueue master bry state UP group default qlen 1000
    link/ether 0a:5b:60:31:7a:bd brd ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff link-netnsid 0
    inet6 fe80::85b:60ff:fe31:7abd/64 scope link 
       valid_lft forever preferred_lft forever
3: veth78@if2: <BROADCAST,MULTICAST,UP,LOWER_UP> mtu 1500 qdisc noqueue master bry state UP group default qlen 1000
    link/ether 3e:f3:4b:26:02:46 brd ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff link-netnsid 1
    inet6 fe80::3cf3:4bff:fe26:246/64 scope link 
       valid_lft forever preferred_lft forever
4: bry: <BROADCAST,MULTICAST,UP,LOWER_UP> mtu 1500 qdisc noqueue state UP group default qlen 1000
    link/ether 0a:5b:60:31:7a:bd brd ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff
    inet6 fe80::30a5:8dff:fe54:987e/64 scope link 
       valid_lft forever preferred_lft forever
5: vethy@if7: <BROADCAST,MULTICAST,UP,LOWER_UP> mtu 1500 qdisc noqueue state UP group default qlen 1000
    link/ether 7a:86:31:14:57:2a brd ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff link-netnsid 2
    inet6 fe80::7886:31ff:fe14:572a/64 scope link 
       valid_lft forever preferred_lft forever
6: vethy.50@vethy: <BROADCAST,MULTICAST,UP,LOWER_UP> mtu 1500 qdisc noqueue master bry state UP group default qlen 1000
    link/ether 7a:86:31:14:57:2a brd ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff
    inet6 fe80::7886:31ff:fe14:572a/64 scope link 
       valid_lft forever preferred_lft forever
7: vethy.60@vethy: <BROADCAST,MULTICAST,UP,LOWER_UP> mtu 1500 qdisc noqueue master bry state UP group default qlen 1000
    link/ether 7a:86:31:14:57:2a brd ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff
    inet6 fe80::7886:31ff:fe14:572a/64 scope link 
       valid_lft forever preferred_lft forever
netns8:~ # bridge vlan show
port    vlan ids
veth68   10 PVID Egress Untagged                                                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                                                                 
veth78   20 PVID Egress Untagged                                                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                                                                 
bry     None
vethy.50 10 PVID Egress Untagged

vethy.60 20 PVID Egress Untagged
netns8:~ # brctl showmacs bry
port no mac addr                is local?       ageing timer
  1     0a:5b:60:31:7a:bd       yes                0.00
  1     0a:5b:60:31:7a:bd       yes                0.00
  4     2e:75:26:04:a9:70       no                 3.62
  2     3e:f3:4b:26:02:46       yes                0.00
  2     3e:f3:4b:26:02:46       yes                0.00
  4     7a:86:31:14:57:2a       yes                0.00
  3     7a:86:31:14:57:2a       yes                0.00
  3     7a:86:31:14:57:2a       yes                0.00
  3     7a:86:31:14:57:2a       yes                0.00
  2     8a:1e:62:e8:f3:c3       no                 3.62

 
 

netns3:~ # ip a s
1: lo: <LOOPBACK> mtu 65536 qdisc noop state DOWN group default qlen 1
    link/loopback 00:00:00:00:00:00 brd 00:00:00:00:00:00
2: veth13: <BROADCAST,MULTICAST,UP,LOWER_UP> mtu 1500 qdisc noqueue master brx state UP group default qlen 1000
    link/ether 52:9b:43:56:37:df brd ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff link-netnsid 0
    inet6 fe80::509b:43ff:fe56:37df/64 scope link 
       valid_lft forever preferred_lft forever
3: veth23@if2: <BROADCAST,MULTICAST,UP,LOWER_UP> mtu 1500 qdisc noqueue master brx state UP group default qlen 1000
    link/ether 06:81:88:12:5d:dc brd ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff link-netnsid 1
    inet6 fe80::481:88ff:fe12:5ddc/64 scope link 
       valid_lft forever preferred_lft forever
4: veth43@if2: <BROADCAST,MULTICAST,UP,LOWER_UP> mtu 1500 qdisc noqueue master brx state UP group default qlen 1000
    link/ether 56:d6:b2:80:9a:de brd ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff link-netnsid 2
    inet6 fe80::54d6:b2ff:fe80:9ade/64 scope link 
       valid_lft forever preferred_lft forever
5: veth53@if2: <BROADCAST,MULTICAST,UP,LOWER_UP> mtu 1500 qdisc noqueue master brx state UP group default qlen 1000
    link/ether 12:58:a6:73:6c:6e brd ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff link-netnsid 3
    inet6 fe80::1058:a6ff:fe73:6c6e/64 scope link 
       valid_lft forever preferred_lft forever
6: brx: <BROADCAST,MULTICAST,UP,LOWER_UP> mtu 1500 qdisc noqueue state UP group default qlen 1000
    link/ether 06:81:88:12:5d:dc brd ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff
    inet6 fe80::8447:28ff:fe22:7a90/64 scope link 
       valid_lft forever preferred_lft forever
7: vethx@if5: <BROADCAST,MULTICAST,UP,LOWER_UP> mtu 1500 qdisc noqueue state UP group default qlen 1000
    link/ether b6:e9:ef:3d:1c:b7 brd ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff link-netnsid 4
    inet6 fe80::b4e9:efff:fe3d:1cb7/64 scope link 
       valid_lft forever preferred_lft forever
8: vethx.50@vethx: <BROADCAST,MULTICAST,UP,LOWER_UP> mtu 1500 qdisc noqueue master brx state UP group default qlen 1000
    link/ether b6:e9:ef:3d:1c:b7 brd ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff
    inet6 fe80::b4e9:efff:fe3d:1cb7/64 scope link 
       valid_lft forever preferred_lft forever
9: vethx.60@vethx: <BROADCAST,MULTICAST,UP,LOWER_UP> mtu 1500 qdisc noqueue master brx state UP group default qlen 1000
    link/ether b6:e9:ef:3d:1c:b7 brd ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff
    inet6 fe80::b4e9:efff:fe3d:1cb7/64 scope link 
       valid_lft forever preferred_lft forever
netns3:~ # bridge vlan show
port    vlan ids
veth13   10 PVID Egress Untagged

veth23   10 PVID Egress Untagged

veth43   20 PVID Egress Untagged

veth53   20 PVID Egress Untagged

brx     None                                                                                                                                                                     
vethx.50 10 PVID Egress Untagged                                                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                                                                 
vethx.60 20 PVID Egress Untagged
netns3:~ # brctl showmacs brx
port no mac addr                is local?       ageing timer
  2     06:81:88:12:5d:dc       yes                0.00
  2     06:81:88:12:5d:dc       yes                0.00
  4     12:58:a6:73:6c:6e       yes                0.00
  4     12:58:a6:73:6c:6e       yes                0.00
  4     2e:75:26:04:a9:70       no                 3.49
  1     52:9b:43:56:37:df       yes                0.00
  1     52:9b:43:56:37:df       yes                0.00
  3     56:d6:b2:80:9a:de       yes                0.00
  3     56:d6:b2:80:9a:de       yes                0.00
  6     8a:1e:62:e8:f3:c3       no                 3.49
  5     b6:e9:ef:3d:1c:b7       yes                0.00
  6     b6:e9:ef:3d:1c:b7       yes                0.00
  5     b6:e9:ef:3d:1c:b7       yes                0.00
  5     b6:e9:ef:3d:1c:b7       yes                0.00

 
And:

netns8:~ # brctl showmacs bry
port no mac addr                is local?       ageing timer
  1     0a:5b:60:31:7a:bd       yes                0.00
  1     0a:5b:60:31:7a:bd       yes                0.00
  4     2e:75:26:04:a9:70       no                 7.37
  2     3e:f3:4b:26:02:46       yes                0.00
  2     3e:f3:4b:26:02:46       yes                0.00
  4     7a:86:31:14:57:2a       yes                0.00
  3     7a:86:31:14:57:2a       yes                0.00
  3     7a:86:31:14:57:2a       yes                0.00
  3     7a:86:31:14:57:2a       yes                0.00
  2     8a:1e:62:e8:f3:c3       no                 7.37
  3     96:e8:d1:2c:b8:ad       no                 3.84
  1     ce:48:c6:8c:ee:1a       no                 3.84
netns8:~ # 

 

netns3:~ # brctl showmacs brx
port no mac addr                is local?       ageing timer
  2     06:81:88:12:5d:dc       yes                0.00
  2     06:81:88:12:5d:dc       yes                0.00
  4     12:58:a6:73:6c:6e       yes                0.00
  4     12:58:a6:73:6c:6e       yes                0.00
  4     2e:75:26:04:a9:70       no                12.48
  1     52:9b:43:56:37:df       yes                0.00
  1     52:9b:43:56:37:df       yes                0.00
  3     56:d6:b2:80:9a:de       yes                0.00
  3     56:d6:b2:80:9a:de       yes                0.00
  6     8a:1e:62:e8:f3:c3       no                12.48
  2     96:e8:d1:2c:b8:ad       no                 8.94
  5     b6:e9:ef:3d:1c:b7       yes                0.00
  6     b6:e9:ef:3d:1c:b7       yes                0.00
  5     b6:e9:ef:3d:1c:b7       yes                0.00
  5     b6:e9:ef:3d:1c:b7       yes                0.00
  5     ce:48:c6:8c:ee:1a       no                 8.94
netns3:~ # 

Obviously, our bridges learn during pings ...

Check of the independence of VLAN definitions on bry

Just for fun: Let us change the PVID/VID setting on bry:

# Changing PVID/VID in bry 
nsenter -t $pid_netns8 -u -n /bin/bash
bridge vlan add vid 36 pvid untagged dev veth68
bridge vlan add vid 46 pvid untagged dev veth78
bridge vlan add vid 36 pvid untagged dev vethy.50
bridge vlan add vid 46 pvid untagged dev vethy.60
bridge vlan del vid 10 dev vethy.50
bridge vlan del vid 10 dev veth68
bridge vlan del vid 20 dev vethy.60
bridge vlan del vid 20 dev veth78
bridge vlan show
exit

This leads to:

netns8:~ # bridge vlan show
port    vlan ids
veth68   36 PVID Egress Untagged

veth78   46 PVID Egress Untagged

bry     None
vethy.50         36 PVID Egress Untagged

vethy.60         46 Egress Untagged

But still:

netns2:~ # ping 192.168.5.7 -c2
PING 192.168.5.7 (192.168.5.7) 56(84) bytes of data.
From 192.168.5.2 icmp_seq=1 Destination Host Unreachable
From 192.168.5.2 icmp_seq=2 Destination Host Unreachable

--- 192.168.5.7 ping statistics ---
2 packets transmitted, 0 received, +2 errors, 100% packet loss, time 1009ms
pipe 2
netns2:~ # ping 192.168.5.6 -c2
PING 192.168.5.6 (192.168.5.6) 56(84) bytes of data.
64 bytes from 192.168.5.6: icmp_seq=1 ttl=64 time=0.120 ms
64 bytes from 192.168.5.6: icmp_seq=2 ttl=64 time=0.094 ms

--- 192.168.5.6 ping statistics ---
2 packets transmitted, 2 received, 0% packet loss, time 999ms
rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 0.094/0.107/0.120/0.013 ms
netns2:~ # 

Experiment 5.2 - Two virtual VLANs spanning two Linux bridges connected by a veth based trunk line between trunk ports

Now let us look at another way of connecting the bridges. This time we use a real trunk connection without sub-interfaces. We then have to attach vethx directly to brx and vethy directly to bry. NO PVIDs must be used on the respective ports; however the flag "tagged" is required. And compared to the last settings in bry we have to go back to the PVID/VID values of 10, 20.

Our new connection model is displayed in the following graphics:

We need to change the present bridge and bridge port definitions accordingly. The commands, which you can enter at the prompt of your original terminal window are given below:

# Change vethx to trunk like interface in brx 
nsenter -t $pid_netns3 -u -n /bin/bash
brctl delif brx vethx.50
brctl delif brx vethx.60
ip link del dev vethx.50
ip link del dev vethx.60
brctl addif brx vethx
bridge vlan add vid 10 tagged dev vethx
bridge vlan add vid 20 tagged dev vethx
bridge vlan del vid 1 dev vethx
bridge vlan show
exit 

And

# Change vethy to trunk like interface in brx 
nsenter -t $pid_netns8 -u -n /bin/bash
brctl delif bry vethy.50
brctl delif bry vethy.60
ip link del dev vethy.50
ip link del dev vethy.60
brctl addif bry vethy
bridge vlan add vid 10 tagged dev vethy
bridge vlan add vid 20 tagged dev vethy
bridge vlan del vid 1 dev vethy
bridge vlan add vid 10 pvid untagged dev veth68
bridge vlan add vid 20 pvid untagged dev veth78
bridge vlan del vid 36 dev veth68
bridge vlan del vid 46 dev veth78
bridge vlan show
exit 

We get the following bridge/VLAN configurations:

netns8:~ # bridge vlan show                       
port    vlan ids
veth68   10 PVID Egress Untagged

veth78   20 PVID Egress Untagged

bry     None
vethy    10
         20

and

netns3:~ # bridge vlan show
port    vlan ids
veth13   10 PVID Egress Untagged

veth23   10 PVID Egress Untagged

veth43   20 PVID Egress Untagged

veth53   20 PVID Egress Untagged

brx     None
vethx    10
         20

Testing 2 VLANs spanning two bridges/Hosts with a trunk connection

We test by pinging from netns7:

netns7:~ # ping 192.168.5.1 -c2
PING 192.168.5.1 (192.168.5.1) 56(84) bytes of data.
From 192.168.5.7 icmp_seq=1 Destination Host Unreachable
From 192.168.5.7 icmp_seq=2 Destination Host Unreachable

--- 192.168.5.1 ping statistics ---
2 packets transmitted, 0 received, +2 errors, 100% packet loss, time 999ms
pipe 2
netns7:~ # 

This gives at the bridge device bry in netns8:

netns8:~ # tcpdump -n -i bry  host 192.168.5.1 -e
tcpdump: verbose output suppressed, use -v or -vv for full protocol decode
listening on bry, link-type EN10MB (Ethernet), capture size 262144 bytes
15:31:15.527528 8a:1e:62:e8:f3:c3 > ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff, ethertype 802.1Q (0x8100), length 46: vlan 20, p 0, ethertype ARP, Request who-has 192.168.5.1 tell 192.168.5.7, length 28
15:31:16.526542 8a:1e:62:e8:f3:c3 > ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff, ethertype 802.1Q (0x8100), length 46: vlan 20, p 0, ethertype ARP, Request who-has 192.168.5.1 tell 192.168.5.7, length 28
15:31:17.526576 8a:1e:62:e8:f3:c3 > ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff, ethertype 802.1Q (0x8100), length 46: vlan 20, p 0, ethertype ARP, Request who-has 192.168.5.1 tell 192.168.5.7, length 28
^C
3 packets captured
3 packets received by filter
0 packets dropped by kernel
netns8:~ # 

At the outer side of vethx in netns3 we get :

netns3:~ # tcpdump -n -i vethx  host 192.168.5.1 -e
tcpdump: verbose output suppressed, use -v or -vv for full protocol decode
listening on vethx, link-type EN10MB (Ethernet), capture size 262144 bytes
15:31:15.527543 8a:1e:62:e8:f3:c3 > ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff, ethertype 802.1Q (0x8100), length 46: vlan 20, p 0, ethertype ARP, Request who-has 192.168.5.1 tell 192.168.5.7, length 28
15:31:16.526561 8a:1e:62:e8:f3:c3 > ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff, ethertype 802.1Q (0x8100), length 46: vlan 20, p 0, ethertype ARP, Request who-has 192.168.5.1 tell 192.168.5.7, length 28
15:31:17.526605 8a:1e:62:e8:f3:c3 > ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff, ethertype 802.1Q (0x8100), length 46: vlan 20, p 0, ethertype ARP, Request who-has 192.168.5.1 tell 192.168.5.7, length 28
^C
3 packets captured
3 packets received by filter
0 packets dropped by kernel
netns3:~ # 

You see, how the packet tags have changed now: Due to the missing PVIDs at the ports for vethx, vethy and the flag "tagged" we get packets on the vethx/vethy connection line, which carry the original 20 tag they had inside the bridges.

So :

netns7:~ # ping 192.168.5.5 -c2
PING 192.168.5.5 (192.168.5.5) 56(84) bytes of data.
64 bytes from 192.168.5.5: icmp_seq=1 ttl=64 time=0.042 ms
64 bytes from 192.168.5.5: icmp_seq=2 ttl=64 time=0.092 ms

--- 192.168.5.5 ping statistics ---
2 packets transmitted, 2 received, 0% packet loss, time 999ms
rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 0.042/0.067/0.092/0.025 ms
netns7:~ # 

Obviously, we can connect our bridges with a trunk line between trunk ports, too.

Exactly 2 VLANs spanning 2 bridges with a trunk connection

Note that we MUST provide identical PVID/VID values inside the bridges bry and brx when we use a trunk like connection! VLAN filtering at all bridge ports works in both directions - IN and OUT. As the Ethernet packets keep their VLAN tags when they leave or enter a bridge, we can not choose the VID/PVID values to be different in bry from brx. So, in contrast to the connection model with the sub-interfaces, we have no choices for PVID/VID assignments; we deal with exactly 2 and not 4 coupled VLANs.

Still, packets leave veth68, 78 and veth13, 23, 43, 53 untagged! The VLANs get established by the bridge and their connection line, alone.

Which connection model is preferable?

The connection model based on trunk port configurations looks simpler than the model based on veth sub-interfaces. However, the connection model based on sub-interfaces allows for much more flexibility and freedom! In addition, it may make it easier to define port related iptables filtering rules.

So, you have the choice how to extend (virtual) VLANs over several bridges/hosts.
Unfortunately, I have not yet tested for any performance differences.

VLANs spanning hosts with Linux bridges

Our test examples were tested on just one host. Is there any major difference when we instead look at 2 hosts, each with a virtual Linux bridge? Not, really. Our devices vethx and vethy would then be two real Ethernet cards like ethx and ethy. But you could make them slaves of the bridges, too, and you could split them into sub-interfaces.

So, our VLANs based on Linux bridge configurations would also work, if the bridges were located on different hosts. For both connection models ...

Conclusion

Network namespaces or containers can become members of virtual VLANs. The configuration of bridge ports determines the VLAN setup. We can easily extend such (virtual) VLANs from one bridge to other bridges - even if the bridges are located on different hosts. In addition, we have the choice whether we base the connection on ports based on sub-interfaces or pure trunk ports. This gives us a maximum of flexibility.

But: Our VLANs were strictly separated so far. In reality, however, we may find situations in which a host/container must be member of two VLANs (VLAN1 and VLAN2). How do the veth connections from/to a network namespace look like, if a user in this intermediate network namespace shall be able to talk to all containers/namespaces in VLAN1 and VLAN2?

This is the topic of the next post.

Fun with veth-devices, Linux bridges and VLANs in unnamed Linux network namespaces – VII

Again, there will be 2 different solutions ....